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Good grief...I'm clearly procrastinating...


edit: just for the record, here are the commentaries that have been/will be occupying my time...

Character commentaries: Bake, Working!!
Staff & Cast: Code Geass, Switch, Macross F and Durarara!!

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From Kyou mo Yarareyaku


音声特典のキャラクターコメンタリーとスタッフ、声優コメンタリーってどっちがいいんだろう

Which is better? Character commentary, staff commentary or cast/seiyuu commentary?

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The rest of the discussion is under the cut, but as a general summary


        / ̄ ̄\
      ノし. u:_ノ` ,,\ <キャラコメの方が面白いだろう・・・jk  
      /⌒`  ( ◯)(O):   スタッフ&声優コメは退屈で仕方ないんだぜ!
     .:|   j(   (__人__)  Chara commentaries are interesting!....jk
     :|   ^  、` ⌒´ノ:  Staff and seiyuu commentaries are
      |  u;     ゙⌒}:   boring beyond belief!
        ヽ     ゚  " }:
      ヽ :j    ノ:             _____
     /⌒\ ゚ (´ .                :/ ノし   \<は?スタッフコメは場面の裏話など聞
     :|  ゚ \~、,⌒\.    _      :/ u ⌒     ゚ \けるし、声優コメは素の声優さんたちの
    :| \j(,  \  r  \ :gj }`hi、.  :|,  。   :j    } 意見が聞けて面白いじゃねーか!
    |   \ 〆ー───〆 八 ヽ (     u   〃ノ   huh? The behind-the-scenes stuff in
    | :j    \__゚___' ,ノノー`Y \ \/⌒ヽ~ヽ   staff-com & seiyuu opinions are
   |         |:    ー──‐‐\ . ィ ´ ゚ /    \  interesting to hear!  
    |   ゚     :j  |:           \、__/l  ゚  :j  \ キャラコメは流行らないんだぜ
                                  Chara coms aren't v. popular

3つ入ってれば完璧なんですけどね
But if all three are included, it'd be perfect.


530 名前: 逮捕者は出さない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 04:15:38.15 0
評判を聞いているとABのキャラコメは
化の次ぐらいの評価だったと思うが(最低評価がワーキン)。
俺は化のキャラコメしか聴いたことがないが。

From what I've heard, the Angel Beats character commentary is 2nd to Bake's (with Working!! being the worst of the three).
I've only listened to the Bake commentary myself though.


534 名前: あ?ぞ?[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 04:24:42.77 0
>>530
キャラコメのサンプル自体少ないのに、最高も最低も無いだろ
個人の評価なんて千差万別
ましてや聞いてもいないのに評価なんて

>530
But there aren't many character commentaries yet, no basis for best or worst, right?
People evaluate things in a multitude of ways.
Not to mention the notion of giving an opinion without even listening to something.


540 名前: 2010年も最萌トーナメントを宜しくお願い致します[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 04:31:20.39 0
>>530
ABはうるさい、ワーキンは退屈。たいして変わらんよ。

>530
Angel Beats is annoying, Working!! is boring. Not much difference between them really.


622 名前: 今お好み焼き食ってる[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 10:53:22.64 0
>>530
ワーキン面白いだろ。3巻は最高だったぞ。
最低評価って、3つくらいしかないだろ。

>530
Working!!'s is quite interesting, especially the 3rd volume. [*Agrees!* Souma and Satou were fantastic!]
Saying that it's the worst - aren't there only three examples so far?


627 名前: 逮捕者は出さない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 10:56:18.40 0
>>622
まあ評判が悪かったってのは1巻の話だから

>622
Well, the bad reaction came from the first volume. [I can't argue with this...]


628 名前: 風早きゅん[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 10:57:05.13 0
ABとワーキンのキャラコメは声優がダベってるのと大して変わらんレベル
ABはスタッフコメンタリー聞きたかった

The commentaries for Angel Beats and Working!! would probably be the same as having the seiyuu chattering away.
I wanted to hear a staff commentary for Angel Beats...


630 名前: テナっていつアニメになるのさ?[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 10:57:58.55 0
>ABはスタッフコメンタリー聞きたかった

なんて残酷なやつだw

>I wanted to hear a staff commentary for Angel Beats...

How cruel can you be...? w


637 名前: 逮捕者は出さない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:13:10.69 0
キャラコメの評判で言えば

化・・・ほぼ絶賛状態
AB・・・うるさいor勢いがあってよろしいの賛否両論
ワーキン・・・画面説明ばかりで退屈

ってのが一般的だったと思うか
そうか、ワーキン3巻は面白いのか

Speaking of how the chara commentaries have been received

Bake...generally high praise
AB...mixed reviews: annoying or energetically good
Working...boring - only explanations of what's on screen [hm...from memory, this isn't actually true...]


643 名前: エリスよくわかんない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:20:47.84 0
>>637
わーきんのキャラコメも面白かったぞ
勝手に評判を決めないでくれ

>637
Working!!'s chara commentary was quite interesting, you know
Don't just label it any-oh-how.


640 名前: セシリーちゃん[] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:15:50.16 O
けいおんのキャラコメとか良い味だしそうな気がするんだがなあ

Something like K-ON might be able to produce a flavourful chara commentary...


644 名前: GK[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:20:56.81 P
>>640
キャストコメ&スタッフコメ全話についてるってなかなか無いけどな
スタッフコメは監督と堀口がいると聞いてるだけでも面白い

>640
But there aren't (really) any examples of cast and staff commentaries that cover all the episodes.
For the staff commentary, just hearing that the director and (chara design/chief animation director) Horiguchi are there gets my interest.


649 名前: テナっていつアニメになるのさ?[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:26:44.90 0
けいおんのコメはひたすらやかましかった

The K-ON commentary was nothing but faultfinding.


645 名前: バランス陣営[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:23:32.19 0
化だってサルの回のは面白かったけど他は微妙じゃないか?コメンタリー。
特になで子は眠かった

The Monkey arc commentary in Bake was interesting, but the others were rather dicey weren't they?
The Nadeko one in particular put me to sleep.


648 名前: GK[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:26:18.56 P
化はコメンタリーの皮をかぶった、西尾書下ろしのドラマCD

Bake's was really just another Nishio Ishin drama CD, dressed up as a commentary.


651 名前: 逮捕者は出さない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:27:45.22 0
>>645
化のキャラコメは1巻で評判になって、3巻で最高!
4巻はおもしろいというより撫子可愛いという
感じの評判だったと思う。

>645
Bake's commentary got its fame from the first volume, and the 3rd was the best!
Rather than being interesting, the 4th one gave us a cute Nadeko
At least, that's what the reaction seems to be.


652 名前: カスP[] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:27:55.20 O
キャラコメがあんま流行らんとこをみるとやっぱ相当労力かかるんだろうなあ

If we look at which chara commentaries were unpopular, it's obvious that it's proportionate to the efforts put in.


653 名前: 阿良々木先輩のエロ奴隷だ[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:31:17.83 0
>>652
ドラマCDとかとあんまり変わらん気がするけどな
ある程度まとまってるから、ゲームの台詞収録とかより楽そうだし

>652
They don't feel much different from a drama CD though.
Since they're somewhat more of a whole, they're more enjoyable than game recordings.


654 名前: 逮捕者は出さない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:31:37.09 0
>>652
新作映像作るよりは安上がりで効果的な特典だと思うんだけどね。
まあ脚本家次第か。
まよい猫のキャラコメ最終回とかぜんぜんつまんなかったし。

>652
Rather than making a new production, I think they're more economical and thus more successful as extras.
Well, it's up to the scriptwriter in the end.
The chara commentary for the final episode of Mayoi Neko was completely boring, for e.g.


663 名前: ma・bu・ra・ho[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:40:52.70 0
>>652
どんな作品にでも使える手法じゃないからなぁ・・・

西尾は作品の内容よりも『言葉の芸』で売ってる作家だから向いてたけど、
あのレベルを毎月書ける奴なんて滅多にいない

>652
It's not something that you can do [i.e. will succeed] for every work, after all...

It's fitting for Nishio Ishin, who's a writer that sells for his wordplay rather than the contents of his stories, but there aren't many people who can write like that every month.


655 名前: バランス陣営[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:32:51.83 0
荒川もキャラコメいれてくれれば万越え狙えそうなんだけどな
キャラコメはやって欲しい

Though if Arakawa had a chara commentary, it could probably sell over 10,000 copies too...
I'd love it if they made one.


656 名前: 優子さん頑張れ[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:33:57.51 0
労力以前にありゃ化だから良かったってだけだろ

It's good because he's a monster anyway even before he puts any effort in, right?
(?? Sounds like this poster's talking about Nishio-sensei...but..?)


657 名前: セキレイの結はおっぱいでか過ぎ可愛い[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:35:36.97 O
声優のくだらない喋りよりは価値がある

Better than hearing the pointless chatter of the seiyuu.


658 名前: GK[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:38:10.93 P
ぶっちゃけるとキャラが「ここは~でした」とか喋られると興冷めする事甚だしい
メタ視点はいっちまうのは良かれ悪しかれだと思うんだがなぁ

To be blunt, having a character say "this was (this place)" and stuff would be a huge killjoy.
Covering meta points might have both good and bad results.


659 名前: 評価スレは売りスレの植民地[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:38:32.64 0
ふつうのオーディオコメンタリーのほうが好きだ
出演声優とスタッフが一歩退いた視点で関わった作品にコメントするって立ち位置が好きなんだが

I like normal audio commentaries.
Cos I like it when the seiyuu and staff take a step back and comment on the work they've produced.


660 名前: くーちゃんは乾電池作れるんだよ[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:39:10.02 0
キャラコメって一度も再生したことないわ・・・
素人トークなんて、想像しただけで寒気がするし。

I haven't played the chara commentary at all.
I can't even imagine hearing amateurs talking without getting the shivers.


661 名前: 式森より使えない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:39:38.13 0
スタッフコメついてるんなら他はなんでもいいよ

If they also have a staff commentary, then anything else is fine.


662 名前: GK[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:40:15.27 P
スタッフのコメント聞きたいなら、アニメ雑誌で十分だしなぁ

If you want to hear the staff's comments, then there are enough magazines for that.


664 名前: 優子さん頑張れ[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:40:53.16 0
つかナレーションの一端でしかないしな
迷い猫の時「ナレってよりキャラコメっぽい」とか言ってる奴居たけどそもそも逆じゃね

Or rather, there was only a bit of narration.
For Mayoi Neko, people were saying that "rather than narration, it's like a chara commentary", but isn't it the opposite instead?


665 名前: GK[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:42:34.21 P
スタッフコメは全てを網羅してて司会できるほどの頭の回転が速く口も回る人間がいれば面白い
ギアスの谷口しかりけいおんの山田しかりメインで話す人がいないとgdgdになる

For a staff commentary, if there is an MC-capable person who comprehends everything and can think and speak on their feet, then it'll be interesting.
If there isn't a main speaker like Geass's Taniguchi or K-ON's Yamada, then it'll be all over the place.


668 名前: セキレイの結はおっぱいでか過ぎ可愛い[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:51:56.11 O
スタッフは雑誌インタビューのがいいわ
喋るレベルに達していない人が多い

It's better if the staff stick to the magazines.
Too many of them aren't good at talking.


669 名前: せーのっ[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 11:52:50.17 O
スタッフコメンタリーは作品の内容の話があって楽しい
声優は本当に人によりけりだわ
トーク力があるのは楽しいし無い人のはつまらない

It's fun if the staff commentary is about the contents of the work.
For seiyuu, it really depends on the people.
It's fun if they're good at talking, but just boring if they're not.


674 名前: アジアNo1声優[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 12:00:59.14 0
スタッフと声優が両方出てくると、音量が違いすぎて聞き取りづらいことが多いんだよね。

When staff and seiyuu appear together, their speaking volumes are so different that it's often difficult to hear.


675 名前: エリスよくわかんない[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 12:02:51.56 0
スタッフのコメンタリー
ボソボソ喋ってるイメージ

Staff commentary...I have an image of flavourless mumbling.


676 名前: 今期は不作だな[sage] 投稿日:2010/07/05(月) 12:06:54.18 0
それは倉田や