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A/Z 'running commentary' (Ep 14)

Well, looks like the question I had about the Trident Base etc was answered. Of course, I should have expected it: the last major space battle I saw was in the Gundam SEED universe, and from what I remember, they don’t really look at the orbital path of the moon in relation to any of the other objects orbiting the Earth in that series… I quite like what Takayama et al did with that here…

Anyhows, spoilers under the cut!

  • The scenes from S1 that we flash through at the very start of the opening: (*) the first time Inaho and Asseylum come to understand each other, the initial assassination attempt, the shot that killed Trillram, Asseylum being shot, Asseylum saving Slaine in 2012, Inaho - Asseylum ‘kiss of life’, Asseylum - Slaine ‘kiss of life’ (2012), Asseylum’s hand being torn from Inaho’s… A total of 8 moments that are important for our three protagonists. However, the real question is: exactly why is each scene important? Most are probably obvious (even if two explanations might be plausible)…but the one I’m least sure of is definitely the one I’ve asterisked.

  • In this opening, Inaho is in the world that Asseylum was in in the first opening, and she leaves that gun behind when she disappears. However, given how she was reaching out to him with both hands at the start of that shot, I doubt that the person she was pointing the gun at was Inaho. Theme-wise, going by where I think the story’s going (by what the creators have said about it), and also going by that shot of her with a tear running down her face as she’s sedately watching Slaine in this second opening, I have the feeling that it’s more likely to be Slaine… The answer to Slaine’s question about whether Asseylum would be sad…should be ‘yes’. And I also think that she would disagree with what Saaz and Slaine are trying to do: basically conquer the people of Earth and subject them to Vers rule. Even if the ultimate aim is to change Vers society for the better… Of course, this is merely my speculation at this point — we’ll have to see where the story heads.

  • The shots we see of the Tharsis and Inaho's Kat chasing after the same light are really interesting... They look like they could be competing against each other in trying to reach that light, but an alternative possibility is that it foreshadows them working together again. Hm...

  • Loved what we learned about Lemrina in this episode: she’s jealous of what her sister had that she didn’t, and is going to take what she can. Caused in part by the way that her grandfather and all of the court is suggested to have marginalised her whilst Asseylum was around. But she knows the politics of it all, and is trying to work it herself. And the Emperor is on his deathbed, whilst Asseylum remains in a coma. It’ll be interesting to see how Saaz, Slaine and Lemrina all play each other as they work towards their respective goals.

  • Oh, and on that topic: well-handled, Slaine.

  • That eye is insane. Totally unfair. Though I suppose Tharsis’s ability is pretty unfair too. But I have a question about the ability of programs/algorithms to calculate the ‘wind’ in space (i.e. the gravitational pull of the objects in the satellite belt) and thus allow their user to plot the path that something has to take through a debris field, for example. I know that this is really complex: what I’m assuming at this point is that there probably is some sort of algorithm that the UFE has been developing for this, which might require its users to input certain parameters associated with the debris field, which I’m guessing has not been fully mapped. Is it even possible to fully map that field? Or is the program in a much earlier testing stage, so only someone like Inaho has it (perhaps associated that that artificial eye)? Pity I don’t know any engineers who specialise in astrophysics. I’ve love to ask about this. On this point, however, if what they depict in Shirobako is true, then Takayama would have researched this, or delegated it to someone. Perhaps it’ll be discussed in the S2 guidebook?

  • Rayet’s right: Inaho is an idiot, though I still enjoyed that scene. But more than that, I enjoyed the twitter exchange about it between Komatsu Mikako (Inko) and Hanae (Inaho) ^^;;

  • So now we have full confirmation that Aldnoah activation rights can be transferred through a kiss. Two caveats, however. First, the implication is that it was a once-off granting of rights: if Tharsis’s drive is shut down again, for whatever reason, then Slaine will have to ask someone else to start it up again. Does that person have to be a person from the royal family? This is unclear — in EP 12, Slaine talks about “activation rights,” whereas Asseylum in EP 6 tells Inaho that her grandfather granted them the “activation factor.” But what Asseylum and Saazbaum say about the drives in EP 11 don’t confirm or deny whether the granting of rights is always a once-off, or whether the rights can be permanently granted. Asseylum only talks about shutting the drives down, and what Saaz says might be more accurately translated as “But with Orlane dead, it would not have been operational. So it would have been Princess Asseylum who reactivated it.”

  • Given what we know, either option seems possible (the one-off, or permanent activation rights, except that it cannot be passed down). The mere possibility of restricting it to a ‘once-off’, however, would give the Emperor and his family far more power over the people of Vers, because they are forever reliant on him if they want more Aldnoah drives in order to power a new unit, castle, or for any other purpose.

  • Second, when Lemrina kissed Slaine, there was a glow indicating that power had been granted. We didn’t see this in the other two ‘kisses’ so far: so does that mean that the rights weren’t granted at those points, thus implying that it has to be consciously granted by the rights holder? Which might also mean that, frankly, a kiss might not be needed. In Inaho’s case, it seems like Asseylum’s blood was what granted him the rights of activation. If that was also a once-off, then Inaho won’t be able to activate any more drives. But given how different it was for Inaho — his entire body started glowing, which was why they realised he could activate the drive — does that mean that there are different levels of activation rights?

  • Speaking of this, one thing that’s interesting to note is the tone of the light of activation. So far, we’ve seen the following people activate drives: Asseylum (EP 8), Slaine (EP 12, EP 14), Lemrina (EP 14) and Inaho (EP 13). Out of these, the light that envelops both Asseylum and Inaho have a coolish, white glow (though the latter’s seems to have more blue in it). The light that envelops Lemrina seems to be a warmer white. On the other hand, Slaine’s two activations have involved less light — which might possibly explained if the Aldnoah drive powering the Tharsis is not actually visible in the cockpit, whereas the ones for the Stygis units were? However, take a look at this shot from the second opening… (NB: this really is just speculation at the moment. It might well be the case that these slight differences aren't really significant...)

  • The conversation between Saaz and Slaine: the answer is “Aldnoah. Those who possess Aldnoah control everything. That is the problem in a nutshell.” “It was a grave sin to hoard that power and create a society where the powerful control all.” True. However, conquering the Earth in order to change that system: is that justice? Because these last two episodes have raised so many questions for me, I still haven’t finished the interviews and articles that go into the history of the world of A/Z (mostly the S1 guidebook and Febri vol. 25). What I’ve read so far suggests that the story presented by both sides is quite biased towards their own…but I want to sit down and digest it before I write more on this.

  • Inaho and Slaine have both found out each other’s names. The question I’m most interested in at this point is: does Inaho remember Asseylum voicing Slaine’s name back in EP 8, when he told her that the birds in front of them were black-tailed gulls (umineko)? If so, then Inaho upgrading Slaine from ‘Bat (koumori)’ to ‘Gull (umineko)’ could have some interesting implications… And if he's remembered that Slaine is the name of the person who told Asseylum that the sky was blue due to the refraction of light the large volumes of air...

  • And finally, where in the world is Yuki?! And Marito?! Will they be involved in the humongous space battle we should be getting next week? Hopefully, we'll also see a few other Counts and other knights....I honestly don't see how Inaho and Slaine are the only personnel of interest in that battle...



Edit: Oh yeah, forgot to mention - just where have they gotten the information from the Martian forces from? Like, who figures out which knights are under which counts, and what their names are? Is there propaganda that the Vers forces are distributing?

Comments

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karice67
Jan. 18th, 2015 03:24 pm (UTC)
My main complain, besides the little tasteless over glorification of Slaine and Inaho as 'solo' pilots, is the overuse of the dating joke. It wasn't funny the first time they made it.
I'm personally hoping that both sides manage to develop something that makes it possible for all the units to have a decent chance of hitting something in such a crazy gravitational field as the satellite belt... But if they don't already have such an algorithm or program, then it'll be impossible to have one up and running perfectly by the time of this battle...

Hm...I'm personally fine with the dating joke. Possibly because joking about someone being "motenai" isn't as stark as joking about not being able to get a date. *shrugs*

Edited at 2015-01-19 12:37 pm (UTC)
sir_hellsing
Jan. 18th, 2015 03:31 pm (UTC)
Asseylum's gun: Considering she was aiming the gun in her world and there is nobody there but Inaho, who else could have been? The Openings are natural continuations of each other: she drops the gun, maybe for Inaho to pick it? (symbolically, she's dead, he's taking her place: was her gun the right to turn on the Deucalion?). She's crying when Slaine talks to her, so I doubt it is against him, particularly because both Inaho and Slaine are portrayed as her boytoys striving together in the end unfortunately later in the Opening. Could it be Lemrina? (ugh).

Basically conquer the people of Earth and subject them to Vers rule: I don't think that is the aim: they need Earth because Mars needs their resources to survive. If Terrans survive, there wouldn't be anyone left to rule Vers style, because they want to revamp this. The fundamental problem is that her existence (and Lemrina's) is a sin in this world, because they embody the sins of Vers as Aldnoah administrators. Has Slaine realized this? He has to kill both princesses for the sake of Vers and Earth. Then take down Aldnoah drives.

What if she's aiming the gun against a mirror, she blamed herself and not the traitors in the end of the first season. She said only she was to blame and the responsibility is all hers. Perhaps she would agree: she needs to die. I think I brought this up in animesuki while discussing Vers system and I was glad both Slaine and Saazbaum spoken about it last episode because I wholly agree with them.

What could be modified is the way they could get Earth, but it's up to Inaho, I suspect to eventually speak to Slaine about this. Notably, they aren't fighting in the OP which is a sin against mecha, they are going to the same direction without hostilities. You can say compete, but I didn't seem them attacking each other (ending seems to sum first cour instead).

The Light: It also foreshadows Asseylum's dead and only an ideal, I think. I disagree she's important as a person. But I have my own interpretation of the Opening.

Aldnoah rights: They seem to write this and making up as it goes, because I'm sure neither Inaho nor Slaine shine during the CPR/liquid sucking scene, so speculating is a little difficult (also your links are broken). But judging how the Earth doesn't have any other equipment with Aldnoah other than Deucalion running around, it may be a one time deal with Inaho too, my opinion of course.

The conversation between Saaz and Slaine: well, the title of the show is called Aldnoah.Zero, somehow meaningful to take into account. ;)

The seagulls: It was Slaine who told Asseylum that seagulls (and nature) thrives in absence of human civilization, but a compromise can be made (humans and seagulls can thrive together). Yeah, I think Inaho and Slaine will somehow learn to compromise their differences in the end (and there's that picture of a world half Vers, half Earth which could correspond to the Earth as planet after Vers people move in there?). I don't longer believe Asseylum is necessary alive when "No Differences" play upon their new meeting as clear foreshadowing (and most interesting, Slaine appears on screen and volunteers to be a bait with these matching lyrics: Somebody please! Can we stop all the fights? I'll do it because it's my turn and how in the end, Inaho and Slaine, for their own reasons, did not shoot each others point blank when they had the chance to). Although I had also brought up the Tharsis look like a seagull in forums (heh, I was right) and that Slaine symbol is the seagull Asseylum is so mesmerized with (mostly because the first OP had it in Slaine's sequence).

Edited at 2015-01-18 03:59 pm (UTC)
karice67
Jan. 18th, 2015 04:02 pm (UTC)
Considering she was aiming the gun in her world and there is nobody there but Inaho, who else could have been?
They've always said that that shot is symbolic. And that it has something to do with the tagline about justice. But the question is: just what is justice?

And since the show will not present its answer on this until the story is finished, since that shot of Asseylum pointing her gun at someone is symbolic of it, then I seriously doubt that they'd make it so obvious.

We'll have to see, I guess...

She's crying when Slaine talks to her,
Depends on why she's crying. Remember the English lyrics to the opening? ("Just stop what you're doing for me. It's not very good for you...")

Basically conquer the people of Earth and subject them to Vers rule: I don't think that isn't the aim. If Terrans survive, there wouldn't be anyone left to rule.
Er...sorry, I'm rather confused by what you've written here.

The fundamental problem is that her existence (and Lemrina's) is a sin in this world, because they embody the sins of Vers as Aldnoah administrators. Has Slaine realized this? He has to kill both princesses for the sake of Vers and Earth. Then take down Aldnoah drives.
Well, that's one solution to the problem that is the Vers society. Is it the right one?

I fixed the links about Aldnoah rights. Sorry - always had problems with trying to copy those URLs from wordpress... And yeah, I'm seriously just speculating because that's probably the biggest mystery for me at the moment. Basically, those two are the major possibilities as I see them. But I am confident that the writers aren't making it up as they go along - you should know from the Frontier forums that I dislike it when people make unsupported claims about creators, particularly ones suggesting that they don't have any respect for the shows and stories they are producing. If you want to keep making comments to that effect, please do it on your own blog.

well, the title of the show is called Aldnoah.Zero, somehow meaningful to take into account. ;)
Interesting take on "Zero." I hadn't thought about it that way, but whilst I think it is a possibility, I have the feeling that I'd be disappointed by that answer...


As for where Slaine and Inaho go from here...I must admit that I don't really want to speculate at this point...

Edited at 2015-01-18 04:08 pm (UTC)
sir_hellsing
Jan. 18th, 2015 04:15 pm (UTC)
They've always said that that shot is symbolic. And that it has something to do with the tagline about justice. But the question is: just what is just?

The tagline shifted to Inaho and Slaine in the second opening. And also, maybe she raised her gun to Inaho but couldn't shoot? Who knows. Who is she shooting if she's alone, a mirror or a reflection also works because she did put the blame on her head in the first cour, not on Saazbaum's.

Depends on why she's crying. Remember the English lyrics to the opening? ("Just stop what you're doing for me. It's not very good for you...")

Yes and that implies she cares more about him than what he could do to the world, yeah? She's crying because she's hurting Slaine in a way. She seems crying because he is crying and hurting himself in the process. Otherwise the lyrics would be "it's not very good for the world." ;P

Er...sorry, I'm rather confused by what you've written here.

They wouldn't be subjected to Vers rule, because they want to dismantle the entire system. It would be something new.

Well, that's one solution to the problem that is the Vers society. Is it the right one?

You can't have revolutions without decapitating a few royals or two. Slaine should mature eventually and learn this as much as it pains him because ultimately, he's the one getting hurt over being caught in the middle. Slaine seems a little too gentle sometimes.

But I am confident that the writers aren't making it up as they go along -

Then why didn't Slaine or Inaho shine before? :/ It reminds me a bit to VVV which they had the losing memory out of nowhere when the first season had a different effect.

I have the feeling that I'd be really disappointed by that answer...

It is Aldnoah.Zero. Both words together, and Slaine's troyard track was revamped into 0:vers song for the single... just more foreshadowing.

Another possibility is for everyone to have Aldnoah, which I thought about it earlier, but I'm not sure anymore if they are approaching to Aldnoah = Sin.

Edit: Yuki and Marito seem stranded on Earth in the OP?

Edited at 2015-01-18 04:26 pm (UTC)
karice67
Jan. 18th, 2015 04:37 pm (UTC)
What does the tagline shifting have to do with anything? To me, it has always been about the entire show, not about any particular character.

Yes and that implies she cares more about him than what he could do to the world, yeah? She's crying because she's hurting Slaine in a way. She seems crying because he is crying and hurting himself in the process. Otherwise the lyrics would be "it's not very good for the world." ;P
No. I personally think it's about both. I simply can't take the opening - either the animation or the lyrics - as literally as you do.

They wouldn't be subjected to Vers rule, because they want to dismantle the entire system. It would be something new.
Really? "When we have achieved victory and seized the Earth, we will reform that red planet." Their entire aim is to reform Vers society. To them, it's like 'to hell with Earth and its people.'

You can't have revolutions without decapitating a few royals or two. *snip*
Not getting into any debates about this.

Then why didn't Slaine or Inaho shine before?
Oh, so you understand exactly how Aldnoah rights are granted? At this point in time, I sure as hell still don't, so I still don't know exactly when Slaine was granted his initial rights. Inaho's case though, seems more straightforward. And he did begin glowing pretty much straightaway.

It is Aldnoah.Zero. Both words together, and Slaine's troyard track was revamped into 0:vers song for the single... just more foreshadowing.

Another possibility is for everyone to have Aldnoah, which I thought about it earlier, but I'm not sure anymore if they are approaching to Aldnoah = Sin.
Yeah, both are possibilities. I personally haven't gotten the impression that Aldnoah = Sin though. It's just been what the person who got it did with it - keep it for himself and his family. "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."


Edited at 2015-01-18 04:39 pm (UTC)
sir_hellsing
Jan. 18th, 2015 06:39 pm (UTC)
You were the one bringing up those lyrics of the opening and the scene? The lyrics are point blank saying Slaine should stop doing this to stop hurting himself?

Really? "When we have achieved victory and seized the Earth, we will reform that red planet." Their entire aim is to reform Vers society. To them, it's like 'to hell with Earth and its people.'

I don't see Inaho or the Earth characters caring about what happens to Vers civilians (or Asseylum in her endless ignorance, until Rayet rubbed it on her face, she never even mentioned going to Earth to help her people which is what makes me dislike her; this and the fact she's wasting water in a huge bathhouse knowing it's a scarce resource to her people. Shades of Marie Antoinette to me).

So of course, why would they even care about Earth people? It's a war for resources that are necessary for their survival.

As much as I love Saazbaum, I have said in the speculation thread that Inaho was going to survive because the forced rivalry of Inaho and Slaine was probably going to come full circle when they set their differences aside, as protagonists of Mars and Earth, they want to save their people. Slaine has the best interest of Vers citizens in his heart and I'm sure Inaho's the same. Because of ignorance and because they are out of options, they have to fight, but the whole "it's a seagull" theme pushed and "we can thrive together" underlying message is a flag they would cooperate eventually. Asseylum is a symbolic bridge, living or dead, for this understanding.

(Unfortunately that also means that maybe Inaho and Slaine would become ridiculously overpowered and single-handedly decide the outcome which I hope it doesn't happen, but well, I wouldn't be too shocked if it does).

That Martians are accepting a Terran hero as war figure is a sign of change far more significant than whatever Asseylum accomplished in her half-baked tries of 'friendship'. In her time, she couldn't even convince Eddelrittuo about ditching her racist talk and suddenly she's acting nice and warm to Slaine. But it's because it's a mecha show and outside of Macross or bishoujo-strong themes, women are kind of "there" unfortunately, as MCGuffins who let their men do the important actions. That's a criticism I have in general against the mecha genre, Aldnoah.Zero doesn't break this convention (I had such crushed hopes for Rayet too...).

It's just been what the person who got it did with it - keep it for himself and his family.

This is true, it would depend what the show wants to aim and imply. Aoki Ei, though, he has a certain sadistic streak. I wouldn't be too surprised if any generic "good guy" dies in a sadistic way, because his favorite thing in Fate/Zero, for instance, was the corruption and victory of Kotomine Kirei (his seduction via Gilgamesh) and how the two of them emotionally tortured and destroyed the 'good guys' and burned down the entire city and laughed in their good end.

(And the BL scenes, Aoki seems to like those too). I'm not certain what he'll like to do with Aldnoah.Zero, but I suspect he's itching to kill off most of the Earth cast in one shocking swoop because he at times does this. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, that's why I'm warning you. He doesn't really care or like the typical 'fair justice' approach. He is a bit on the sadistic side.
karice67
Jan. 18th, 2015 11:44 pm (UTC)
You were the one bringing up those lyrics of the opening and the scene? The lyrics are point blank saying Slaine should stop doing this to stop hurting himself?
I'm suggesting that what Slaine is doing for Asseylum that is hurting himself isn't just crying over his inability to protect her. I think it may also be referring to what he's doing because he thinks it's for her sake, or the sake of her ideals etc.

I don't see Inaho or the Earth characters caring about what happens to Vers civilians
That's not a valid comparison. Earth isn't trying to conquer Vers, thus wrecking wanton destruction and killing millions in the process. Admittedly, that's because they can't rather than because they don't want to (Earth's leaders probably really want the Aldnoah technology). But Earth's citizens in general probably just wanted to live in peace. It's not their fault if the rulers of Vers are basically oppressing their people.

the fact she's wasting water in a huge bathhouse knowing it's a scarce resource to her people.
Was it confirmed that this was a bathhouse...?

So of course, why would they even care about Earth people? It's a war for resources that are necessary for their survival.
I'm not disputing that this is what Saaz/Vers think. Though no, a war for resources is not necessary for their survival (see e.g. Japan in WW2). But my main point is that it does have implications for which 'justice' the show will come down on the side of - if it does that, of course. That's why I think that Asseylum is crying as she watches Slaine in the opening - i.e. I think it's symbolic of how she wouldn't agree with his actions that are placing the value of Vers lives over that of the people of Earth. YMMV - so let's agree to disagree on this at this point.

Also, this. There was one other comment I'd wanted to reiterate from Gen in that post, but I forgot: in his A/Z Report interview (Tx/002), he makes the point that wars change people, and not necessarily in good ways.

That's a criticism I have in general against the mecha genre, Aldnoah.Zero doesn't break this convention (I had such crushed hopes for Rayet too...).
Well...they were always aiming for a 'classic' mecha. That's why it's been about two boys right from the start - Gen mentions that Rayet didn't even exist at the time they came up with the first story outline.

There are mecha shows with female pilots, I think. Unfortunately, those tend to veer to the fanservice side. But that's all due to the fact that the primary target audience of a mecha show is going to be male. Unless you can do something about that, you're probably not going to get what you're looking for, I'm afraid.

Re: Aoki
My impression of him at this point is that he likes character development. That's why he's so heavily invested in A/Z's protagonists. Also, this is his first original, so I'm not going to speculate about how many people he might kill etc. He is also the director of Hourou Musuko, after all.

Edited at 2015-01-18 11:49 pm (UTC)
sir_hellsing
Jan. 19th, 2015 01:31 am (UTC)
I'm suggesting that what Slaine is doing for Asseylum that is hurting himself isn't just crying over his inability to protect her. I think it may also be referring to what he's doing because he thinks it's for her sake, or the sake of her ideals etc.

I don't think he is. He's fully aware she'll be sad if he fights the Decaulion people and maybe he's be holding off but it seems inevitable. He's doing what he must to preserve her life as priority, IMO.

Earth isn't trying to conquer Vers

Earth depraved indifference and shipments is what is starving and destroying Vers too. Ignorance and neglect is not an excuse. There's no easy 'nice' solution to territorial struggles, specially when one side is not used to compromise like Earth due to pride (hell, they even withhold information to their people, did you read Twin Gemini? They never told the civilians about the Landing castles in Orbit, for instance) and another has a systematic hate spread like Mars (and urgent needs). *

Was it confirmed that this was a bathhouse...?

Yes, it's in the guide, he crashes in the princess' personal Bathouse. I don't even know what they are trying to do with Asseylum, but she's not coming off as sympathetic or reliable leader if she wastes her country resources while her people suffer like this.

But my main point is that it does have implications for which 'justice' the show will come down on the side of

The justice quote is the Kantian kind of justice, you know the one about personal maxims, regardless of the consequences.

That's why I think that Asseylum is crying as she watches Slaine in the opening

I think she's just crying because Slaine's suffering wrecked in front of her body in that scene. And anyway, you know my opinion of Asseylum is pretty negative in general either because her character was done in a clumsy way or personal distaste about her childishness and ignorance of her own planet. To be a future leader of a country (her grandfather was at death's door) should be concerned about her people first and I am not seeing this in Asseylum. Now if they bothered to try to sell me as some kind of selfless angel when she has huge bathhouses while her countrymen need water? I would probably think differently.

I don't understand you're linking a seiyuu's joking opinion as if it was valid when it's clearly not even a point anymore? Slaine's pretty damn realistic and his actions are sensible. War does change people, something they make them remain delusional. Inaho never once believed Asseylum's delusional talk, he even corrected her in episode 12.

Well...they were always aiming for a 'classic' mecha.

And a new style of mecha too. Yeah, I know. Poor Rayet. :(

Also, this is his first original, so I'm not going to speculate about how many people he might kill etc.

It is his first original, nonetheless Aoki Ei in those "Zero" inspired works takes a lot of sadistic pleasure in killing off entire protagonists casts (and Komatsu apparently heard a rumor that many of them will die in the end).

*And despite of this the tale of seagulls and humans by Slaine is what I think is guiding the resolution. Asseylum was inspired by it, Slaine (and Mars) being the 'seagulls' who can thrive in absence of Terrans in those lands, but eventually they would learn to compromise by Inaho and Slaine (Seagull). I just don't know how, but it just seems the underlying message when it was separated as the ending of the digest, IMO. It was sought to highlight that scene. Something that happens to Asseylum could make them join, as she was the original subject of dispute.

Edited at 2015-01-19 01:45 am (UTC)
karice67
Jan. 19th, 2015 02:09 am (UTC)
I personally believe he's doing it mainly to preserve her life too (= for her sake).

Earth depraved indifference and shipments is what is starving and destroying Vers too. Ignorance and neglect is not an excuse. There's no easy 'nice' solution to territorial struggles, specially when one side is not used to compromise like Earth due to pride (hell, they even withhold information to their people, did you read Twin Gemini? They never told the civilians about the Landing castles in Orbit, for instance) and another has a systematic hate spread like Mars (and urgent needs).
You might want to look into what 'statehood' means. There's also a bit more about the people of Earth (as opposed to their rulers) that you seem to have missed in Guidebook 1.

Edit: And no, I've never found the time to read Twin Gemini. Too much else to do. Do you have a page number for that bit about not telling the civilians about landing castles in orbit? (Though admittedly, I can probably imagine why they wouldn't have wanted to do that.)

Yes, it's in the guide, he crashes in the princess' personal Bathouse.
Can you tell me where this is in the guide? nvm, found it. Doesn't say its her personal bathhouse though, it's the palace bath.

The justice quote is the Kantian kind of justice, you know the one about personal maxims, regardless of the consequences.
Sure. But that doesn't mean that the show approves of it.

I don't understand you're linking a seiyuu's joking opinion as if it was valid when it's clearly not even a point anymore? Slaine's pretty damn realistic and his actions are sensible. War does change people, something they make them remain delusional. Inaho never once believed Asseylum's delusional talk, he even corrected her in episode 12.
I think you and I disagree on what they mean by 'dark side', and on what Asseylum's dream is. You seem to think that her dream is that the two sides can just get over their differences and get along. To me, that was her naive way of thinking about how peace can be achieved. Her dream is simply for the two cultures to get along, and at this point, I'd say that Inaho probably still believes that is possible (though they have to stop the war first), whilst Slaine doesn't seem to believe that anymore. Instead, Vers has to conquer Earth first. When that happens, Earth ceases to exist as an entity. And I am not confident that Saaz doesn't see the people of Earth as being beneath him. What they are trying to do is impose upon Earth how they think humanity should live. When has that ever been just?

Also, Ono and Hanae may have been discussing it lightly on that radio CD (NB: it's not as light as you seem to think), but it's clear from some other interviews that Ono has done that, as an actor, he does want Slaine to go down a 'darker' path. And I think it's also clear that Hanae's not joking about Slaine taking steps towards the dark side. How far he goes will be the question.

nonetheless Aoki Ei in those "Zero" inspired works takes a lot of sadistic pleasure in killing off entire protagonists casts (and Komatsu apparently heard a rumor that many of them will die in the end).
Well, if he does kill off people, I'd call it 'realistic' rather than 'sadistic'. It's war, after all. And I'm more actually more inclined to like mecha shows with some sort of bittersweet ending.

Do you have a link to the tweet (I'm assuming) where Komatsu talks about that rumour? I've seen a comment that she made in an interview in the Oudan Maker Anime Guide for Winter Comiket, but that was just a rumour going around the cast. Which to me is typical speculation on their part.

Edited at 2015-01-19 04:55 am (UTC)
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